While on a recent trip out to Farm Credit Services in Omaha, I sat down to talk with FCS’s Natalie Gerdes & Tim Goergen to record an episode of their podcast, TRY/CATCH.

You can listen to the podcast here, or hear it on iTunes, Google Play, and Spotify.

I talk about how people say you should have a 3-year or 5-year career plan, and … that’s just really hard for people like me to do. I don’t think there was ever a point in my career where I could have accurately predicted what I was going to be doing in 3 or 5 years – and any prediction I had was completely wrong.

Instead, do two things: do good things, and tell people. You’ve gotta do both of those if you want to get ahead in the long term. You can’t just do good things (without telling anybody), and you can’t just tell people you’re doing good things (when you’re not.)