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		<title>By: Sameer</title>
		<link>http://www.brentozar.com/archive/2010/02/salary-negotiations-during-the-interview/#comment-19849</link>
		<dc:creator>Sameer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 15:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jack and Brent....


Thanks for your valuable feedback and comments. I do not have any another options. I will contact them and check whether that position is still OPEN. Actually, I not want to stretch my GAP further due to financial constarints

Cheers
Sameer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jack and Brent&#8230;.</p>
<p>Thanks for your valuable feedback and comments. I do not have any another options. I will contact them and check whether that position is still OPEN. Actually, I not want to stretch my GAP further due to financial constarints</p>
<p>Cheers<br />
Sameer</p>
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		<title>By: Sameer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sameer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 15:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well.... I never showed my desperation during manager (final round) interview. This negotiation started at the end of final interview as manager was pretty impressed . Finally screwed everything  by telling I will pay you less than what you&#039;re earning. What you do ??? I was neutral and trying to prick some ans from me. I said, I will wait and also look for another opportunity. Looks like I did sever mistake....!!!:-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well&#8230;. I never showed my desperation during manager (final round) interview. This negotiation started at the end of final interview as manager was pretty impressed . Finally screwed everything  by telling I will pay you less than what you&#8217;re earning. What you do ??? I was neutral and trying to prick some ans from me. I said, I will wait and also look for another opportunity. Looks like I did sever mistake&#8230;.!!!:-(</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Corbett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Corbett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 15:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately they are in the better position in this case.  You are without a job and they probably have other candidates, so unless you have other options they can hold the line no matter what you do or say.

If you were really desperate to work for them, you&#039;d take the job regardless of salary.  You can hold the line and remain unemployed, waiting for another opportunity, or you can cave because they likely won&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately they are in the better position in this case.  You are without a job and they probably have other candidates, so unless you have other options they can hold the line no matter what you do or say.</p>
<p>If you were really desperate to work for them, you&#8217;d take the job regardless of salary.  You can hold the line and remain unemployed, waiting for another opportunity, or you can cave because they likely won&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Brent Ozar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brent Ozar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 15:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Sameer.  Unfortunately, they&#039;re the one with all of the bargaining power, especially when you say things like &quot;I am desperate to join.&quot;  You don&#039;t have anything they can&#039;t get from somewhere else.  If you need the job and you really want to work for that one specific company, you&#039;re screwed.  You have to take what they&#039;re offering, and they know it.  They do bargaining like this all the time, and they understand who&#039;s got the power.  If you don&#039;t take it, they&#039;ve got plenty of people lined up behind you willing to take that job.

The only time you have bargaining power is when you already have a job and someone wants to hire you.  Otherwise - you&#039;re out of luck.  I wish I had better answers for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Sameer.  Unfortunately, they&#8217;re the one with all of the bargaining power, especially when you say things like &#8220;I am desperate to join.&#8221;  You don&#8217;t have anything they can&#8217;t get from somewhere else.  If you need the job and you really want to work for that one specific company, you&#8217;re screwed.  You have to take what they&#8217;re offering, and they know it.  They do bargaining like this all the time, and they understand who&#8217;s got the power.  If you don&#8217;t take it, they&#8217;ve got plenty of people lined up behind you willing to take that job.</p>
<p>The only time you have bargaining power is when you already have a job and someone wants to hire you.  Otherwise &#8211; you&#8217;re out of luck.  I wish I had better answers for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Sameer</title>
		<link>http://www.brentozar.com/archive/2010/02/salary-negotiations-during-the-interview/#comment-19845</link>
		<dc:creator>Sameer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 14:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi...I am not working since 2month and looking for DBA job. However, recently I cleared all rounds of interview with Accenture, India. They were telling , they will not pay your what you were earning in your prev company. They are utilizing max my weaknes (Break in career) and did not reverted to me after the interview. Its been ONE week. I told them, to pay atleast what  I was getting previously. This is the only problem and playing around. How should I tackle with them ... I am also desperate to join Accenture and would like to maintain long term career. Please guide me ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi&#8230;I am not working since 2month and looking for DBA job. However, recently I cleared all rounds of interview with Accenture, India. They were telling , they will not pay your what you were earning in your prev company. They are utilizing max my weaknes (Break in career) and did not reverted to me after the interview. Its been ONE week. I told them, to pay atleast what  I was getting previously. This is the only problem and playing around. How should I tackle with them &#8230; I am also desperate to join Accenture and would like to maintain long term career. Please guide me &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ralph Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaron,

The &quot;Never argue with idiots&quot; quote I prefer is:

&quot;Never argue with idiots,
It tends to confuse people and 
they may not be able tell which is which.&quot;

Ever heard the one about teaching pigs to sing? ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron,</p>
<p>The &#8220;Never argue with idiots&#8221; quote I prefer is:</p>
<p>&#8220;Never argue with idiots,<br />
It tends to confuse people and<br />
they may not be able tell which is which.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ever heard the one about teaching pigs to sing? <img src='http://d329fn540v13gd.cloudfront.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ralph Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ralph Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christian,

As a candidate, I, too, am aware of the market prices for my skills.  Therefore, I, too, feel it is imporant to get to the heart of that matter.  If a company comes to me expecting to pay me 50% to 60% of fair market value, I want to know as soon as possible so that I don&#039;t waste my time.  THerefore, I feel that the following approach to the issue is just and fair.  

You as the employer should pose your question as follows:
&quot;We are looking at a range of [$X] to [$Y] as the salary for this position and from your resume it looks as though you would probably be coming in at [$Z].  How does that compare to your current compensation and does that sound reasonable?&quot;

Now, if _I_ have sought _you_ out and solicited a position, it would be reasonable, IMHO, for me to approach the issue, when it comes up, in this manner:

&quot;I am currently earning about [INT((current salary + $2500) / $5000) * $5000)] as a [fill in the job title].  I am interested in your [fill in the job title] position and I know that the market will support a salary in the range of [$X] to [$Y], so I would like to receive [$Z].  My reasoning is as follows: [state 2 or 3 _legitimate_ reasons].&quot;

However, for you, as the employer, to expect me, as the candidate, to disclose my _exact_ salary without you _first_ disclosing your salary offer is not, IMHO, reasonable.  Do you walk into a car dealership and asay, &quot;I have 36,500 to spend on a car, what can I get?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christian,</p>
<p>As a candidate, I, too, am aware of the market prices for my skills.  Therefore, I, too, feel it is imporant to get to the heart of that matter.  If a company comes to me expecting to pay me 50% to 60% of fair market value, I want to know as soon as possible so that I don&#8217;t waste my time.  THerefore, I feel that the following approach to the issue is just and fair.  </p>
<p>You as the employer should pose your question as follows:<br />
&#8220;We are looking at a range of [$X] to [$Y] as the salary for this position and from your resume it looks as though you would probably be coming in at [$Z].  How does that compare to your current compensation and does that sound reasonable?&#8221;</p>
<p>Now, if _I_ have sought _you_ out and solicited a position, it would be reasonable, IMHO, for me to approach the issue, when it comes up, in this manner:</p>
<p>&#8220;I am currently earning about [INT((current salary + $2500) / $5000) * $5000)] as a [fill in the job title].  I am interested in your [fill in the job title] position and I know that the market will support a salary in the range of [$X] to [$Y], so I would like to receive [$Z].  My reasoning is as follows: [state 2 or 3 _legitimate_ reasons].&#8221;</p>
<p>However, for you, as the employer, to expect me, as the candidate, to disclose my _exact_ salary without you _first_ disclosing your salary offer is not, IMHO, reasonable.  Do you walk into a car dealership and asay, &#8220;I have 36,500 to spend on a car, what can I get?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dugi</title>
		<link>http://www.brentozar.com/archive/2010/02/salary-negotiations-during-the-interview/#comment-17796</link>
		<dc:creator>Dugi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Little bit later but very nice and interesting discussion! Anyway, I wanted to tell you a short story about salary and the reason to lie or not to lie about your salary. I know the situations that happened to my 2 friends, when they tell them current salary which is very low then new job trying to win, they (HR) decide to not accept them, why? The reason was that you are no too much professional and poor skills and this is the point that you do not have a good salary (...but you are working). I disagree with this but it happened and in this case you are loser! But what is more ridiculous if you tell them for the good salary, yep they will ask you a sub-question why you are here? - and in many cases you can be the overqualified person for the HR commission(1HR person, 2-3 your field person in this case IT) - so they decide again to not accept you!? So it depends from the politics of the company and IT manager!
So the best way is to do a search about salaries in the company where you applied for job and tell them the range between min-max possible!
You can searching here:
http://www.indeed.com/salary?q1=SQL+DBA&amp;l1=</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Little bit later but very nice and interesting discussion! Anyway, I wanted to tell you a short story about salary and the reason to lie or not to lie about your salary. I know the situations that happened to my 2 friends, when they tell them current salary which is very low then new job trying to win, they (HR) decide to not accept them, why? The reason was that you are no too much professional and poor skills and this is the point that you do not have a good salary (&#8230;but you are working). I disagree with this but it happened and in this case you are loser! But what is more ridiculous if you tell them for the good salary, yep they will ask you a sub-question why you are here? &#8211; and in many cases you can be the overqualified person for the HR commission(1HR person, 2-3 your field person in this case IT) &#8211; so they decide again to not accept you!? So it depends from the politics of the company and IT manager!<br />
So the best way is to do a search about salaries in the company where you applied for job and tell them the range between min-max possible!<br />
You can searching here:<br />
<a href="http://www.indeed.com/salary?q1=SQL+DBA&amp;l1=" rel="nofollow">http://www.indeed.com/salary?q1=SQL+DBA&amp;l1=</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ansari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ansari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thats rite, its not bad mouthing unless the company is owned by our dad. :-).
The company is always thinking about the development side, so, they will reduce the cost as maximum as they could. They will get use professionals as maximum as they could and tried to give as low salary as they could. Its better we tell everything to others and they know why we want to leave the company. Other company will use this company&#039;s disadvantage to take you in and you will get the benefits that haven&#039;t before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats rite, its not bad mouthing unless the company is owned by our dad. <img src='http://d329fn540v13gd.cloudfront.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .<br />
The company is always thinking about the development side, so, they will reduce the cost as maximum as they could. They will get use professionals as maximum as they could and tried to give as low salary as they could. Its better we tell everything to others and they know why we want to leave the company. Other company will use this company&#8217;s disadvantage to take you in and you will get the benefits that haven&#8217;t before.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Corbett</title>
		<link>http://www.brentozar.com/archive/2010/02/salary-negotiations-during-the-interview/#comment-17350</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Corbett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 14:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you Grant.  If I wasn&#039;t doing what I&#039;m doing then money would be key.  Last year when I was back in NH and doing some contracting for my former company they asked me to come back.  I couldn&#039;t, but I also know that for the headache&#039;s they couldn&#039;t pay me enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you Grant.  If I wasn&#8217;t doing what I&#8217;m doing then money would be key.  Last year when I was back in NH and doing some contracting for my former company they asked me to come back.  I couldn&#8217;t, but I also know that for the headache&#8217;s they couldn&#8217;t pay me enough.</p>
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