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		<title>By: Bill Graziano</title>
		<link>http://www.brentozar.com/archive/2008/11/tony-davis-disses-stackoverflowcom/comment-page-1/#comment-6273</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Graziano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking as the owner of SQLTeam:  I think the big issue with consolidation is that the various sites have to want to be consolidated.  While you may want fewer SQL sites to visit I want to keep running my site.  :)  And many of the software vendors have decided they get good will by launching another site.  And as you see ... more and more sites keep popping up.

Speaking as a member of the Board of Directors of PASS: Hey!  Did you see our new, improved web site?!?!?!!?  :)  I don&#039;t think there is much anyone can do about consolidation until the existing sites want to be consolidated or people start visiting fewer sites.  I know that right now that&#039;s not on our radar.  We have plenty of other areas to invest in.  :)

Speaking as me again: One thing that will make consolidation hard is people&#039;s desire to be known and to belong.  Being part of a smaller site where you &quot;know&quot; many of the regulars really adds to the social side of things.  That&#039;s much harder if there are fewer larger sites.

-Bill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking as the owner of SQLTeam:  I think the big issue with consolidation is that the various sites have to want to be consolidated.  While you may want fewer SQL sites to visit I want to keep running my site.  <img src='http://www.brentozar.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   And many of the software vendors have decided they get good will by launching another site.  And as you see &#8230; more and more sites keep popping up.</p>
<p>Speaking as a member of the Board of Directors of PASS: Hey!  Did you see our new, improved web site?!?!?!!?  <img src='http://www.brentozar.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   I don&#8217;t think there is much anyone can do about consolidation until the existing sites want to be consolidated or people start visiting fewer sites.  I know that right now that&#8217;s not on our radar.  We have plenty of other areas to invest in.  <img src='http://www.brentozar.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Speaking as me again: One thing that will make consolidation hard is people&#8217;s desire to be known and to belong.  Being part of a smaller site where you &#8220;know&#8221; many of the regulars really adds to the social side of things.  That&#8217;s much harder if there are fewer larger sites.</p>
<p>-Bill</p>
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		<title>By: DavidB</title>
		<link>http://www.brentozar.com/archive/2008/11/tony-davis-disses-stackoverflowcom/comment-page-1/#comment-6272</link>
		<dc:creator>DavidB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny that you said that Bill about your site being sponsored as well, as I don&#039;t have time to frequent all the sites and unfortunately yours is one that I don&#039;t get time to go to. I will have to try to get that into my list as the times I have been there have been helpful. :) (Sheepish). With that being said, I had just gone to your site and realized that you too had the sponsorship there. Obviously some bad assumptions on my part and I do appreciate the correction. 

Side note and clarification, I do like sql-server-performance, and use sites that are owned / sponsored by third party software companies. 

All that being said, at some point as a community we really should be looking towards consolidation. I had actually hoped that PASS would head that up but that is not something that has happened up to now and it may not really fit with the charter. I don&#039;t know. Bill, I&#039;m sure that you would have a better feel for that. 

Thanks again for the feedback and correction to both of you! 

David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny that you said that Bill about your site being sponsored as well, as I don&#8217;t have time to frequent all the sites and unfortunately yours is one that I don&#8217;t get time to go to. I will have to try to get that into my list as the times I have been there have been helpful. <img src='http://www.brentozar.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  (Sheepish). With that being said, I had just gone to your site and realized that you too had the sponsorship there. Obviously some bad assumptions on my part and I do appreciate the correction. </p>
<p>Side note and clarification, I do like sql-server-performance, and use sites that are owned / sponsored by third party software companies. </p>
<p>All that being said, at some point as a community we really should be looking towards consolidation. I had actually hoped that PASS would head that up but that is not something that has happened up to now and it may not really fit with the charter. I don&#8217;t know. Bill, I&#8217;m sure that you would have a better feel for that. </p>
<p>Thanks again for the feedback and correction to both of you! </p>
<p>David</p>
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		<title>By: K. Brian Kelley</title>
		<link>http://www.brentozar.com/archive/2008/11/tony-davis-disses-stackoverflowcom/comment-page-1/#comment-6270</link>
		<dc:creator>K. Brian Kelley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My two cents...

I agree with Bill that there are folks who aren&#039;t just SQL Server experts on the SQL Server sites. For instance, when I post, it&#039;s usually on SSC, mainly because I&#039;m comfortable with the interface and it&#039;s ingrained in my brain since a lot of my work has gone up there. There I have found other folks dealing with AD, with Citrix, with clustering, with .NET, etc. I&#039;m more a lurker on SQLTeam.com but when I do go there (or SQL-Server-Performance.com), I notice the same thing. These sites tend to attract people who have a passion for that particular technology, but that doesn&#039;t mean that&#039;s all they do. My day-to-day job is Active Directory and server/perimeter security. However, I do love SQL Server, so when I have time, you&#039;ll see me pop in there. And that means i can offer a perspective from that viewpoint.

As far as the expert title, you&#039;re right, a lot of people lay claim to it, but whether or not they really deserve it is in doubt. That should really be for others to decide. I see Bill Graziano and Adam Machanic have posted on here and those are two guys I certainly consider experts. I don&#039;t know anyone who will argue that they aren&#039;t (except maybe Bill or Adam). 

Matter of fact, though I focus on security, Adam edited one of my articles and pointed out a weakness in row-level security implementations within SQL Server that I didn&#039;t know about (something Steve Kass wrote about initially, I think). And I&#039;ve referred to Bill&#039;s presentation on what he wished developers knew about SQL Server more times than I can count. They might be on Stack Overflow, but I know to look for them on SQLTeam.com and SQLBlog.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My two cents&#8230;</p>
<p>I agree with Bill that there are folks who aren&#8217;t just SQL Server experts on the SQL Server sites. For instance, when I post, it&#8217;s usually on SSC, mainly because I&#8217;m comfortable with the interface and it&#8217;s ingrained in my brain since a lot of my work has gone up there. There I have found other folks dealing with AD, with Citrix, with clustering, with .NET, etc. I&#8217;m more a lurker on SQLTeam.com but when I do go there (or SQL-Server-Performance.com), I notice the same thing. These sites tend to attract people who have a passion for that particular technology, but that doesn&#8217;t mean that&#8217;s all they do. My day-to-day job is Active Directory and server/perimeter security. However, I do love SQL Server, so when I have time, you&#8217;ll see me pop in there. And that means i can offer a perspective from that viewpoint.</p>
<p>As far as the expert title, you&#8217;re right, a lot of people lay claim to it, but whether or not they really deserve it is in doubt. That should really be for others to decide. I see Bill Graziano and Adam Machanic have posted on here and those are two guys I certainly consider experts. I don&#8217;t know anyone who will argue that they aren&#8217;t (except maybe Bill or Adam). </p>
<p>Matter of fact, though I focus on security, Adam edited one of my articles and pointed out a weakness in row-level security implementations within SQL Server that I didn&#8217;t know about (something Steve Kass wrote about initially, I think). And I&#8217;ve referred to Bill&#8217;s presentation on what he wished developers knew about SQL Server more times than I can count. They might be on Stack Overflow, but I know to look for them on SQLTeam.com and SQLBlog.com.</p>
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		<title>By: Brent Ozar</title>
		<link>http://www.brentozar.com/archive/2008/11/tony-davis-disses-stackoverflowcom/comment-page-1/#comment-6269</link>
		<dc:creator>Brent Ozar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah, absolutely, I know Idera didn&#039;t buy SQL Server Performance.  I understand that it&#039;s ad-sponsored.  That probably wasn&#039;t clear in DavidB&#039;s comment, but yeah, we were just talking about the ads.  (I&#039;m a big fan of SQL-Server-Performance, and I look forward to their newsletter every day!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah, absolutely, I know Idera didn&#8217;t buy SQL Server Performance.  I understand that it&#8217;s ad-sponsored.  That probably wasn&#8217;t clear in DavidB&#8217;s comment, but yeah, we were just talking about the ads.  (I&#8217;m a big fan of SQL-Server-Performance, and I look forward to their newsletter every day!)</p>
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